United States v. Tsarnaev

Anonymous asked: If this latest outburst from Alina affects her being able to visit J (I actually don't think it's a bad thing if he does not have contact with that dysfunctional clan) do you think that Clark can make a case that his only sane relative is Ruslan, therefore he can visit J? I agree with Pandora (formally DL) that Ruslan is the best representative of the family and I also think he is the best for J right now. Btw, I think he would have to distance himself from them BMB or not.

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useyourcommoncents:

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aurora1990:

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aurora1990:

patsysvodka:

I agree more influence from Ruslan would be a good thing for him, but I’m wondering does Ruslan even want to get involved with this mess?  It doesn’t appear he was particularly close to Jahar before the BMB, so I question if he even wants to take this on or if Jahar wants to see him either.   I’m not even sure if he’s called to testify what side he’d be doing it for, the defense or the prosecution. 

Ruslan did an interview with CNN the day after Jahar was apprehended in which he said that he’d like to speak to Jahar. He expressed interest in taking Jahar under his wing to help him through this difficult time and to help him think clearly about what he did.

I would love for Ruslan to be able to have an influence in Jahar’s life, but there are two problems. Firstly, Ruslan wont be allowed to visit or write to Jahar while ever the SAMs remain in place in their current form. Secondly, if Jahar still holds some or all of his extremist beliefs, and I think it’s probable that he does, then he might not want to see his uncle. (I hope that’s not the case… but it’s a possibility).

Yes, and even if the SAMs can be modified to accommodate visits or any contact from an uncle, I don’t think the defense has the time or motivation to try and make it happen anytime soon.

I’ve always felt that Ruslan’s comment during the CNN interview that he wanted to help out Jahar was insincere and  I don’t think he has any interest in getting involved with him now.   I think we saw the real Ruslan on the 19th.  He was pissed and if he was done with the family before the BMB, he was sure as hell  done with them on April 19th.  I think someone got a hold of him and told him he came off very badly during his driveway rant and he needed to do an interview immediately to contain the damage and present a new image of himself to the public.  It was surprising he sat down for such a lengthy interview so soon after Jahar’s arrest.

I honestly thought he sounded sincere. But you’re right, that interview happened while events were still essentially unfolding and a lot could have changed between then and now. It would be interesting to know if he had any contact with Jahar before the SAMs came into place.


I thought he sounded sincere ranting in his driveway and sincere in the CNN interview. I think it’s completely possible to call someone a loser and basically want to kick their ass, but then to still feel bad for them and want better for them. I felt one with Ruslan. In his place I imagine I’d feel exactly as he did, in both instances.

It’s not question that the defense are interviewing Ruslan, he knows so much about their culture, family dynamic and much more. His input will invaluable - and quite different from the sister’s views. But did you notice the defense talks of interviewing family and the difficulty as some are in Russia…this tells me that his parent have no plans on coming to the U.S.

Can you imagine the shock of learning your nephews are involved with terrorizing a sporting event -  can’t blame his shock and outburst. This is a culture who feel strongly about their roots and family. Ruslan did help them. He certainly steppe in buried T near his own home in VA. If one watches the entire interview, you see how he cried, most men don’t even show this emotion, let alone to millions. He was sad, and said it that T dragged his brother into this, he said “he was just a boy.” The reality is that J may not know Rulsan very well. They did not talk or see each other, even on his trip to D.C. - and bad blood was flowing from each side. I am sure Ruslan would help J if he could, but I don’t see him as person who believes for a moment J and T are innocent of BMB and the aftermath.

The other hot button is that clearly Ruslan does not follow this strain of Islam that J and T did - so clearly Ruslan would have much to say about that as he did with T.

Yep, I’d imagine the defense has talked with Ruslan, and it wouldn’t surprise me at all if they are counting on his testimony to be a big part of mitigation. He can talk intimately about the family’s dysfunction and he will have credibility because of his initial reaction during the driveway interview.

I keep thinking about the CNN interview with Ruslan, as well as the angry driveway interview (from which he gained meme status). Between those two interviews, his uncle likely did J the biggest favor that anyone could possibly do under these circumstances. Ruslan will have a big role to play in mitigation.  He may be the star witness during that phase. That’s my prediction. After sentencing, I wish an exception could be carved out so that Ruslan could visit Jahar. Ruslan seemed like a quality person. I like him a lot.

Oh yeah, I definitely agree after just watching the CNN interview again and I’m still a Ruslan fan for sure!   He had a lot to say about Tamerlan’s dramatic transformation with specifics about his extreme behavior and views, and he is certain that Tamerlan was in control of “the plot” and  used Jahar as a tool. 

"Tamerlan had big time influence over Jahar, he tried to be so persuasive with me…  I assumed that Tamerlan was espousing his views to Jahar."

"Jahar should shed light on what really happened, who influenced him, who’s behind it.  The plot is there, Jahar has been used by his older brother not even as an accomplice, but as some kind of instrument.  He used his younger brother, he wasted his life."

"Jahar was used as a weapon."

"If he dared to lecture me, imagine what he could have done to his younger brother?  And we see what he did to him, he made him harm other people, he made him harm other people, he’s not just wasted his life, he’s made him harm other people."

I still think this interview was first and foremost damage control for Ruslan after the shouty news conference he had the previous day.  He and Zubeidat were the two most visible family members on the 19th and I’d assume he didn’t appreciate the comparisons to her in the media.   Also interesting that although he seemed convinced of the brother’s guilt from day one, he was also convinced that there was no way Jahar was an equal conspirator in the bombing plot.  There may be evidence to the contrary, but that was his initial take on it even though he admits to having basically no contact with Jahar since 2006 or 2009 (that’s unclear in the interview.)

Then I was wondering why my feeling that Ruslan would not actually choose to pursue a relationship with Jahar was so strong.  First there’s the bit about meeting Jahar at the train station four months earlier, and Ruslan stayed in the car - “I don’t want to talk to him.”  No reason for this statement is asked or given.  Finally,  the idea that Ruslan might eventually reach out to or help Jahar was presented by the interviewer, it wasn’t offered by Ruslan.

Interviewer: “If Jahar reaches out to you for help or guidance, looking ahead to what he’s about to go through, will you help him?”

Ruslan: “Yes, I’ll certainly help him.  First, I’ll try to help him to relieve himself, by seeking forgiveness and anything else he would need.”  Yes, I would help him. 

Now, I’m no expert in body language, but at this point I thought I noticed hesitation, and Ruslan seemed awkward and uncomfortable.   He seemed a bit caught off guard by the question, and holds eye contact with the reporter for shorter periods of time than earlier in the interview, instead looking down at his lap more frequently.  Could he have said “No, I don’t want anything to do with anyone in this family.”  Not really an option at that point in the interview.   idk, it’s always stood out to me.  His true feelings about helping Jahar get through this could be different now, if he was indeed unsure of them at the time of the CNN interview.

He did seem awkward at that moment but you did notice he said first and foremost that “we must remember the people, the victims” and goes on to name them so I am assuming that hesitation was about making sure he acknowledged the victims, as J was still alive. He was caught in hard position, and being on national TV, well, he had to be careful in choosing his words. After all, this affects his life, and the lives of his 6 children and wife.

I’m specifically referring to 25:20.  He refers to the victims earlier in the interview.

Anonymous asked: May I continue? Maybe her parents wanted more for her than her working eighty hours a week for probably minimum wage and needing public assistance to care for their granddaughter. (I'm not knocking public assistance, but it's not usually what people aspire to for their families). Besides, even if Katherine's parents are the worst people on the planet, she needs to act like a grown up and do what's in her daughter's best interest. I think that we can all agree that that poor little girl...

I’m on a roll… We can all agree that Zahira is innocent in this whole nightmare and doesn’t deserve to live her entire life with this hanging over her head. Katherine’s priority should be ensuring that that child has a happy and stable a life as possible. Most people would agree that that doesn’t include living with her in-laws. Thanks for letting me vent! I look forward to hearing your thoughts!

Yes, I was a bit disturbed by the new picture of Zahira that is floating around out there.  She’s with Ailina in front of their home in North Bergen.  Ailina was a trending topic today in the New York Post.  Photographers are lurking about, taking pictures of her and of course they got one of Zahira which was published.  Someone just sent me an ask about the possibility of social services getting involved what with all the drama going on.  I guess anything is possible, eh?  Is the environment inside their home good for Zahira?  It could be perfectly fine, but a lot of what we’re seeing and reading about leads me to think that little girl may be living in a less than stable situation.  Earlier we were discussing the possibility that Katherine has no other option than to live with the sisters.  For some reason she is not living with her family anymore and for all we know that situation was worse for Katherine and Zahira.  We’re on the outside trying to make sense of it.  I do hope that little girl is doing well though.  I worry about her. sigh.

Anonymous asked: I hope the next article we read isn't about social services taking the kids away

I’m not sure of the protocol, but idk, would this kind of drama warrant some sort of welfare check by social services?   

Anonymous asked: If this latest outburst from Alina affects her being able to visit J (I actually don't think it's a bad thing if he does not have contact with that dysfunctional clan) do you think that Clark can make a case that his only sane relative is Ruslan, therefore he can visit J? I agree with Pandora (formally DL) that Ruslan is the best representative of the family and I also think he is the best for J right now. Btw, I think he would have to distance himself from them BMB or not.

pandora-the-curious:

useyourcommoncents:

pandora-the-curious:

aurora1990:

patsysvodka:

aurora1990:

patsysvodka:

I agree more influence from Ruslan would be a good thing for him, but I’m wondering does Ruslan even want to get involved with this mess?  It doesn’t appear he was particularly close to Jahar before the BMB, so I question if he even wants to take this on or if Jahar wants to see him either.   I’m not even sure if he’s called to testify what side he’d be doing it for, the defense or the prosecution. 

Ruslan did an interview with CNN the day after Jahar was apprehended in which he said that he’d like to speak to Jahar. He expressed interest in taking Jahar under his wing to help him through this difficult time and to help him think clearly about what he did.

I would love for Ruslan to be able to have an influence in Jahar’s life, but there are two problems. Firstly, Ruslan wont be allowed to visit or write to Jahar while ever the SAMs remain in place in their current form. Secondly, if Jahar still holds some or all of his extremist beliefs, and I think it’s probable that he does, then he might not want to see his uncle. (I hope that’s not the case… but it’s a possibility).

Yes, and even if the SAMs can be modified to accommodate visits or any contact from an uncle, I don’t think the defense has the time or motivation to try and make it happen anytime soon.

I’ve always felt that Ruslan’s comment during the CNN interview that he wanted to help out Jahar was insincere and  I don’t think he has any interest in getting involved with him now.   I think we saw the real Ruslan on the 19th.  He was pissed and if he was done with the family before the BMB, he was sure as hell  done with them on April 19th.  I think someone got a hold of him and told him he came off very badly during his driveway rant and he needed to do an interview immediately to contain the damage and present a new image of himself to the public.  It was surprising he sat down for such a lengthy interview so soon after Jahar’s arrest.

I honestly thought he sounded sincere. But you’re right, that interview happened while events were still essentially unfolding and a lot could have changed between then and now. It would be interesting to know if he had any contact with Jahar before the SAMs came into place.


I thought he sounded sincere ranting in his driveway and sincere in the CNN interview. I think it’s completely possible to call someone a loser and basically want to kick their ass, but then to still feel bad for them and want better for them. I felt one with Ruslan. In his place I imagine I’d feel exactly as he did, in both instances.

It’s not question that the defense are interviewing Ruslan, he knows so much about their culture, family dynamic and much more. His input will invaluable - and quite different from the sister’s views. But did you notice the defense talks of interviewing family and the difficulty as some are in Russia…this tells me that his parent have no plans on coming to the U.S.

Can you imagine the shock of learning your nephews are involved with terrorizing a sporting event -  can’t blame his shock and outburst. This is a culture who feel strongly about their roots and family. Ruslan did help them. He certainly steppe in buried T near his own home in VA. If one watches the entire interview, you see how he cried, most men don’t even show this emotion, let alone to millions. He was sad, and said it that T dragged his brother into this, he said “he was just a boy.” The reality is that J may not know Rulsan very well. They did not talk or see each other, even on his trip to D.C. - and bad blood was flowing from each side. I am sure Ruslan would help J if he could, but I don’t see him as person who believes for a moment J and T are innocent of BMB and the aftermath.

The other hot button is that clearly Ruslan does not follow this strain of Islam that J and T did - so clearly Ruslan would have much to say about that as he did with T.

Yep, I’d imagine the defense has talked with Ruslan, and it wouldn’t surprise me at all if they are counting on his testimony to be a big part of mitigation. He can talk intimately about the family’s dysfunction and he will have credibility because of his initial reaction during the driveway interview.

I keep thinking about the CNN interview with Ruslan, as well as the angry driveway interview (from which he gained meme status). Between those two interviews, his uncle likely did J the biggest favor that anyone could possibly do under these circumstances. Ruslan will have a big role to play in mitigation.  He may be the star witness during that phase. That’s my prediction. After sentencing, I wish an exception could be carved out so that Ruslan could visit Jahar. Ruslan seemed like a quality person. I like him a lot.

Oh yeah, I definitely agree after just watching the CNN interview again and I’m still a Ruslan fan for sure!   He had a lot to say about Tamerlan’s dramatic transformation with specifics about his extreme behavior and views, and he is certain that Tamerlan was in control of “the plot” and  used Jahar as a tool. 

"Tamerlan had big time influence over Jahar, he tried to be so persuasive with me…  I assumed that Tamerlan was espousing his views to Jahar."

"Jahar should shed light on what really happened, who influenced him, who’s behind it.  The plot is there, Jahar has been used by his older brother not even as an accomplice, but as some kind of instrument.  He used his younger brother, he wasted his life."

"Jahar was used as a weapon."

"If he dared to lecture me, imagine what he could have done to his younger brother?  And we see what he did to him, he made him harm other people, he made him harm other people, he’s not just wasted his life, he’s made him harm other people."

I still think this interview was first and foremost damage control for Ruslan after the shouty news conference he had the previous day.  He and Zubeidat were the two most visible family members on the 19th and I’d assume he didn’t appreciate the comparisons to her in the media.   Also interesting that although he seemed convinced of the brother’s guilt from day one, he was also convinced that there was no way Jahar was an equal conspirator in the bombing plot.  There may be evidence to the contrary, but that was his initial take on it even though he admits to having basically no contact with Jahar since 2006 or 2009 (that’s unclear in the interview.)

Then I was wondering why my feeling that Ruslan would not actually choose to pursue a relationship with Jahar was so strong.  First there’s the bit about meeting Jahar at the train station four months earlier, and Ruslan stayed in the car - “I don’t want to talk to him.”  No reason for this statement is asked or given.  Finally,  the idea that Ruslan might eventually reach out to or help Jahar was presented by the interviewer, it wasn’t offered by Ruslan.

Interviewer: “If Jahar reaches out to you for help or guidance, looking ahead to what he’s about to go through, will you help him?”

Ruslan: “Yes, I’ll certainly help him.  First, I’ll try to help him to relieve himself, by seeking forgiveness and anything else he would need.”  Yes, I would help him. 

Now, I’m no expert in body language, but at this point I thought I noticed hesitation, and Ruslan seemed awkward and uncomfortable.   He seemed a bit caught off guard by the question, and holds eye contact with the reporter for shorter periods of time than earlier in the interview, instead looking down at his lap more frequently.  Could he have said “No, I don’t want anything to do with anyone in this family.”  Not really an option at that point in the interview.   idk, it’s always stood out to me.  His true feelings about helping Jahar get through this could be different now, if he was indeed unsure of them at the time of the CNN interview.

Anonymous asked: Does Bella have any kids and do we know if Ailina has custody of all of her kids(the older boy is the only other one I'm guessing)?

lol, I’m the wrong person to ask.  I am so confused about this.  The last I read Bella has 1 child and Ailina has three.  I’m really not sure.  I don’t know anything about custody either. sorry.

Anonymous asked: Am I the only one who feels like this trial is going OJ? Such a joke and it hasn't happened yet! Serioulsy we aren't allowed with cameras but we already can see what a circus it is going to b. Where are the lawyers, da, govt. 2 put gag orders on these people, so much coming out that shouldn't b. The vid with J talking to his mom, that shouldn't of come out, private and could hurt his defense and visits, howd that happen! Nvr saw this b4! This clown act downplays the victims who need to be heard.

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patsysvodka:

It feels like this case has gone way beyond OJ at this point, what with the books, TV docs, interviews - plus the coverage and debate on the internet.  It’s definitely already crazier than OJ!

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Can we ever forget the Boston Strong Movie trailer?!?!

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Anonymous asked: I think a major problem that a lot of people have with the sisters isn't the fact that they're related to the brothers but the fact that they won't admit that their brothers committed the bombings. They're acting like 14 year old girls just denying it and saying "they were set up" which no one can even take seriously. It'd be different if they made a serious argument like "we haven't been shown evidence indicating that they did it" but they just make such immature comments like that (cont)

(Cont) which make no one take the sisters seriously. I feel like if they just said “yes we know our brothers committed a terrible evil crime but we still love them and will support them and the victims” that would make people hate them less and stay out of their lives a little less. I don’t know why their lawyers don’t tell them to say something like what I did above, that’d help them out a lot.

I was shocked to see that video clip of Ailina yelling at reporters that her brothers were framed.  I have no idea what she’s been privy to from the defense, but how is this still her mindset?  Also am I wrong to assume the entire family has been told to keep their traps shut?  I realize the sudden, intense media interest may be overwhelming for them, but come on, at this point they should know better.  

Anonymous asked: Am I the only one who feels like this trial is going OJ? Such a joke and it hasn't happened yet! Serioulsy we aren't allowed with cameras but we already can see what a circus it is going to b. Where are the lawyers, da, govt. 2 put gag orders on these people, so much coming out that shouldn't b. The vid with J talking to his mom, that shouldn't of come out, private and could hurt his defense and visits, howd that happen! Nvr saw this b4! This clown act downplays the victims who need to be heard.

It feels like this case has gone way beyond OJ at this point, what with the books, TV docs, interviews - plus the coverage and debate on the internet.  It’s definitely already crazier than OJ!

Anonymous asked: If this latest outburst from Alina affects her being able to visit J (I actually don't think it's a bad thing if he does not have contact with that dysfunctional clan) do you think that Clark can make a case that his only sane relative is Ruslan, therefore he can visit J? I agree with Pandora (formally DL) that Ruslan is the best representative of the family and I also think he is the best for J right now. Btw, I think he would have to distance himself from them BMB or not.

lefaitjugelhomme:

patsysvodka:

aurora1990:

patsysvodka:

I agree more influence from Ruslan would be a good thing for him, but I’m wondering does Ruslan even want to get involved with this mess?  It doesn’t appear he was particularly close to Jahar before the BMB, so I question if he even wants to take this on or if Jahar wants to see him either.   I’m not even sure if he’s called to testify what side he’d be doing it for, the defense or the prosecution. 

Ruslan did an interview with CNN the day after Jahar was apprehended in which he said that he’d like to speak to Jahar. He expressed interest in taking Jahar under his wing to help him through this difficult time and to help him think clearly about what he did.

I would love for Ruslan to be able to have an influence in Jahar’s life, but there are two problems. Firstly, Ruslan wont be allowed to visit or write to Jahar while ever the SAMs remain in place in their current form. Secondly, if Jahar still holds some or all of his extremist beliefs, and I think it’s probable that he does, then he might not want to see his uncle. (I hope that’s not the case… but it’s a possibility).

Yes, and even if the SAMs can be modified to accommodate visits or any contact from an uncle, I don’t think the defense has the time or motivation to try and make it happen anytime soon.

I’ve always felt that Ruslan’s comment during the CNN interview that he wanted to help out Jahar was insincere and  I don’t think he has any interest in getting involved with him now.   I think we saw the real Ruslan on the 19th.  He was pissed and if he was done with the family before the BMB, he was sure as hell  done with them on April 19th.  I think someone got a hold of him and told him he came off very badly during his driveway rant and he needed to do an interview immediately to contain the damage and present a new image of himself to the public.  It was surprising he sat down for such a lengthy interview so soon after Jahar’s arrest.

Are you talking about the Uncle Ruslan who personally washed Tamerlan’s body consistent with the Muslim traditional burial? That Uncle Ruslan or is there another one? Did his sisters attend the actual burial?   It is past time J openly receives adult guidance since he either did not previously accept proper adult supervision or worse, chose to decline it. As far as supportive people- sorry the SAMs do not permit ISIL and AQ visitors nor faint-hearted teenage girls . J could do far worse than Uncle Ruslan. IMO he couldn’t do any better than the much maligned Uncle Ruslan.  It would be a shame if Uncle Ruslan would be called upon to prepare both his older brother’s sons for a proper Muslim burial because the parents had forsaken them both.

FTR: Uncle Ruslan came off as the only adult in the (Tsarnaev) room.

Yes I’m talking about that Uncle Ruslan, the CNN interview felt like damage control to me - but that’s just my take on it,  I could be wrong.   We don’t know what went on behind the scenes that resulted in him going to the funeral home in Massachusetts in May 2013.

Anonymous asked: If this latest outburst from Alina affects her being able to visit J (I actually don't think it's a bad thing if he does not have contact with that dysfunctional clan) do you think that Clark can make a case that his only sane relative is Ruslan, therefore he can visit J? I agree with Pandora (formally DL) that Ruslan is the best representative of the family and I also think he is the best for J right now. Btw, I think he would have to distance himself from them BMB or not.

aurora1990:

patsysvodka:

I agree more influence from Ruslan would be a good thing for him, but I’m wondering does Ruslan even want to get involved with this mess?  It doesn’t appear he was particularly close to Jahar before the BMB, so I question if he even wants to take this on or if Jahar wants to see him either.   I’m not even sure if he’s called to testify what side he’d be doing it for, the defense or the prosecution. 

Ruslan did an interview with CNN the day after Jahar was apprehended in which he said that he’d like to speak to Jahar. He expressed interest in taking Jahar under his wing to help him through this difficult time and to help him think clearly about what he did.

I would love for Ruslan to be able to have an influence in Jahar’s life, but there are two problems. Firstly, Ruslan wont be allowed to visit or write to Jahar while ever the SAMs remain in place in their current form. Secondly, if Jahar still holds some or all of his extremist beliefs, and I think it’s probable that he does, then he might not want to see his uncle. (I hope that’s not the case… but it’s a possibility).

Yes, and even if the SAMs can be modified to accommodate visits or any contact from an uncle, I don’t think the defense has the time or motivation to try and make it happen anytime soon.

I’ve always felt that Ruslan’s comment during the CNN interview that he wanted to help out Jahar was insincere and  I don’t think he has any interest in getting involved with him now.   I think we saw the real Ruslan on the 19th.  He was pissed and if he was done with the family before the BMB, he was sure as hell  done with them on April 19th.  I think someone got a hold of him and told him he came off very badly during his driveway rant and he needed to do an interview immediately to contain the damage and present a new image of himself to the public.  It was surprising he sat down for such a lengthy interview so soon after Jahar’s arrest.